Network Working Group                                          L. Eggert
Internet-Draft                                                    NetApp
Obsoletes: 3005 (if approved)                           24 February                               7 April 2022
Updates: 3683 (if approved)
Intended status: Best Current Practice
Expires: 28 August 9 October 2022

                      IETF Discussion List Charter
                        draft-eggert-bcp45bis-08

Abstract

   The Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) discussion mailing list
   furthers the development and specification of Internet technology
   through the general discussion of technical, procedural, operational operational,
   and other topics for which no dedicated mailing lists exists. exist.  As this
   is the most general IETF mailing list, considerable latitude in terms
   of topics is allowed, but there are posts and topics that are
   unsuitable for this mailing list.  This document defines the charter
   for the IETF discussion list and explains its scope.

   This document obsoletes RFC3005 RFC 3005 and updates RFC3683. RFC 3683.

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Table of Contents

   1.  Introduction  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   3   2
   2.  Charter for the IETF Discussion List  . . . . . . . . . . . .   3
   3.  Moderation  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5   4
   4.  Security Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5
   5.  IANA Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5
   6.  References  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5
     6.1.  Normative References  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6   5
     6.2.  Informative References  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6
   Appendix A.  Changes  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   7
     A.1.  Since draft-eggert-bcp45bis-08  . . . . . . . . . . . . .   7
     A.2.  Since draft-eggert-bcp45bis-07  . . . . . . . . . . . . .   8
     A.3.  Since draft-eggert-bcp45bis-06  . . . . . . . . . . . . .   8
     A.4.  Since draft-eggert-bcp45bis-05  . . . . . . . . . . . . .   8
     A.5.  Since draft-eggert-bcp45bis-04  . . . . . . . . . . . . .   8
     A.6.  Since draft-eggert-bcp45bis-03  . . . . . . . . . . . . .   9
     A.7.  Since draft-eggert-bcp45bis-02  . . . . . . . . . . . . .   9
     A.8.  Since draft-eggert-bcp45bis-01  . . . . . . . . . . . . .   9
     A.9.  Since draft-eggert-bcp45bis-00  . . . . . . . . . . . . .   9
     A.10. Since RFC3005 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   9   5
   Acknowledgements  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  10   7
   Author's Address  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  10   8

1.  Introduction

   The IETF discussion list [IETF-DISCUSS] furthers the development and
   specification of Internet technology through the general discussion
   of technical, procedural, operational and other topics for which no
   dedicated mailing lists exists. exist.  As this is the most general IETF
   mailing list, considerable latitude in terms of topics is allowed.
   However, there are posts and topics that are unsuitable for this
   mailing list.  This document defines the charter for the IETF
   discussion list and explains its scope.

   The IETF Note Well [NOTE-WELL] applies to discussions on the IETF
   discussion list and all other IETF mailing lists, and requires
   conformance with the IETF Guidelines for Conduct [RFC7154] and the
   Anti-Harassment Policy [RFC7776], among others.

   This document obsoletes [RFC3005], documenting as it documents the use of other
   mailing lists for discussions that used to be were previously in scope for the
   IETF discussion list, referring refers to applicable policies such as the
   Guidelines for Conduct [RFC7154] and the Anti-Harassment Policy
   [RFC7776], and clarifying clarifies moderation procedures.  It also updates part
   of Section 1 of [RFC3683], which copies the list of "inappropriate
   postings" from [RFC3005].  This  The list in [RFC3683] is hence updated by
   the new list in Section 2 below. 2.

2.  Charter for the IETF Discussion List

   The IETF discussion list is meant for discussions for which a more
   appropriate list does not exist, such as discussions that do not fall
   within the scope of any working group, area, or other established
   list.  When discussions are started on the IETF discussion list for
   which such a venue does exist, they should be continued at that other
   venue as soon as this is pointed out.

   When no dedicated mailing list exists for a topic, it may be
   preferable to request the creation of that one be created [NON-WG-LISTS] and announce
   the availability of the new list on the IETF discussion list and on
   other related lists, such as area lists, rather than discussing that
   topic on the IETF discussion list.

   Appropriate postings to the IETF discussion list include:

   *  Initial discussion of technical issues that are candidates for
      IETF work, but appropriate mailing lists have not yet identified appropriate mailing lists. been
      identified.

   *  Questions and clarifications concerning practical aspects of IETF
      meetings, although most of these topics are better brought up on
      the discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues
      [ADMIN-DISCUSS] or the attendee discussion list for a given IETF
      meeting.

   *  Announcements of conferences, events, or activities that are
      sponsored or endorsed by the IETF, IRTF, IAB or the Internet
      Society, although the IETF announcement list [IETF-ANNOUNCE] is
      the preferred list for these.

   *  Discussions of IETF direction, policy, and the standards process
      in general, when a more suitable list (such as the discussion list
      for IETF LLC administrative issues [ADMIN-DISCUSS], the IAB
      discussion list for architectural issues [ARCH-DISCUSS], a meeting
      attendees list, a process-oriented WG list, etc.) cannot be
      identified.

   These topics used to be in scope for the IETF discussion list, but
   have since moved to dedicated lists:

   *  Last Call discussions of documents now take place on the IETF Last
      Calls mailing list [LAST-CALLS].

   *  Discussion of IETF administrative policies now takes place on the
      discussion list for IETF LLC administrative issues
      [ADMIN-DISCUSS].

   Inappropriate postings include:

   *  Advertising and other unsolicited bulk e-mail

   *  Discussion of subjects unrelated to IETF policy, meetings,
      activities, or technical topics

   *  Uncivil commentary, regardless of the general subject, per the
      IETF Note Well [NOTE-WELL]

   *  Announcements of conferences, events, or activities that are not
      sponsored or endorsed by the Internet Society or the IETF.

3.  Moderation

   The IETF Chair appoints _Moderators_ (previously known as the
   "sergeant-at-arms") for the IETF discussion list that are empowered
   to restrict posting by a person, or to an email thread, when the
   content is inappropriate and represents a pattern of abuse.  They are
   encouraged to take into account the overall nature of the postings by
   an individual and whether particular postings are an aberration typical or
   typical. an
   aberration.

   Moderation of the IETF discussion list, including the handling of any
   appeals, is to be guided by the IETF discussion list charter specified in
   Section 2, and the related guidance from Section 1 that applies to
   all mailing lists.  The moderators are intended to establish a self-moderation self-
   moderation function on the community, by the community.  Because the
   IESG and IAB are in the appeals chain for moderator decisions (see
   below), the IETF Chair therefore should not appoint a moderator who
   is serving in such a role.  If a moderator is selected for the IESG
   or IAB, they will step down from the moderator team.

   Apart from appointing moderators, the IETF Chair should refrain from
   the day-to-day operation and management of the moderator team.  The
   moderator team will independently define, publish, and execute their
   role; see the current set of operating procedures [MOD-SOP] and abuse
   patterns [MOD-UPC].  The moderator team should reach out to the IETF
   Chair for any conflict resolution in a timely manner.

   Because a moderator serves at the discretion of the IETF Chair - --
   even if the IETF Chair is not otherwise involved in the operation of
   the moderator team - -- any moderator decision can be appealed to the
   IETF Chair, per [RFC2026].  Decisions by the IETF Chair can be
   appealed to the IESG as whole, again per [RFC2026].

4.  Security Considerations

   The usual security considerations [RFC3552] do not apply to this
   document.

   Potential abuse of the moderation process for the suppression of
   undesired opinions is counteracted by the availability of an appeals
   process, per Section 3.

5.  IANA Considerations

   This document does not request any IANA actions.

6.  References

6.1.  Normative References

   [RFC2026]  Bradner, S., "The Internet Standards Process -- Revision
              3", BCP 9, RFC 2026, DOI 10.17487/RFC2026, October 1996,
              <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2026>.
              <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc2026>.

6.2.  Informative References
   [ADMIN-DISCUSS]
              IETF, "Discussion List "admin-discuss -- Discussion list for IETF LLC Administrative
              Issues", 20 October 2021,
              administrative issues", n.d.,
              <https://ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/admin-discuss>.

   [ARCH-DISCUSS]
              IAB, "Open Discussion Forum For Long/Wide-Range
              Architectural Issues", 20 October 2021, "Architecture-discuss -- open discussion forum for
              long/wide-range architectural issues", n.d.,
              <https://ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/architecture-discuss>.

   [IETF-ANNOUNCE]
              IETF, "IETF Announcement List", 20 October 2021, "IETF-Announce -- IETF announcement list. No
              discussions.", n.d.,
              <https://ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce>.

   [IETF-DISCUSS]
              IETF, "IETF Discussion List", 20 October 2021, "ietf -- IETF-Discussion", n.d.,
              <https://ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>.

   [LAST-CALLS]
              IETF, "IETF "last-call -- IETF Last Calls", 20 October 2021, n.d.,
              <https://ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/last-call>.

   [MOD-SOP]  IETF Discussion List Moderator Team, "IETF Discussion List
              Moderator Team  IETF, "Sergeant-at-Arms Standard Operating Procedures", 20
              commit c1abcb0 , 9 October
              2021, 2019,
              <https://github.com/ietf/saa/blob/main/sop.md>.

   [MOD-UPC]  IETF Discussion List Moderator Team,  IETF, "Unprofessional
              Commentary", 20 commentary", commit e120305 , 8
              October 2021,
              <https://github.com/ietf/saa/blob/main/unprofessional-
              commentary.md>. 2019, <https://github.com/ietf/saa/blob/main/
              unprofessional-commentary.md>.

   [NON-WG-LISTS]
              IETF, "Non-Working Group Email List Guidelines", 20
              October 2021, n.d.,
              <https://ietf.org/how/lists/nonwglist-guidelines/>.

   [NOTE-WELL]
              IETF, "Note Well", 20 October 2021, n.d.,
              <https://ietf.org/about/note-well/>.

   [RFC3005]  Harris, S., "IETF Discussion List Charter", BCP 45,
              RFC 3005, DOI 10.17487/RFC3005, November 2000,
              <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3005>.
              <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc3005>.

   [RFC3552]  Rescorla, E. and B. Korver, "Guidelines for Writing RFC
              Text on Security Considerations", BCP 72, RFC 3552,
              DOI 10.17487/RFC3552, July 2003,
              <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3552>.
              <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc3552>.

   [RFC3683]  Rose, M., "A Practice for Revoking Posting Rights to IETF
              Mailing Lists", BCP 83, RFC 3683, DOI 10.17487/RFC3683,
              March 2004, <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3683>. <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc3683>.

   [RFC7154]  Moonesamy, S., Ed., "IETF Guidelines for Conduct", BCP 54,
              RFC 7154, DOI 10.17487/RFC7154, March 2014,
              <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7154>.
              <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7154>.

   [RFC7776]  Resnick, P. and A. Farrel, "IETF Anti-Harassment
              Procedures", BCP 25, RFC 7776, DOI 10.17487/RFC7776, March
              2016, <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7776>.

Appendix A.  Changes

      |  RFC Editor: Please remove this appendix before publication.

A.1.  Since draft-eggert-bcp45bis-08

   *  Update [RFC3683], because it copies text from [RFC3005] that this
      document updates.  See this issue
      (https://github.com/larseggert/bcp45bis/issues/11).

   *  addressed Eric Vyncke's IESG review
      (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eggert-bcp45bis/
      ballot/#draft-eggert-bcp45bis_eric-vyncke)

   *  addressed Francesca Palombini's IESG review
      (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eggert-bcp45bis/
      ballot/#draft-eggert-bcp45bis_francesca-palombini) and Carsten
      Bormann's ART ART review
      (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/art/ZnkYEl-
      9mRWfKXtzHVUu7u92QB0/)

   *  addressed John Scudder's IESG review
      (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eggert-bcp45bis/
      ballot/#draft-eggert-bcp45bis_john-scudder)
   *  addressed Roman Danyliw's IESG review
      (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eggert-bcp45bis/
      ballot/#draft-eggert-bcp45bis_roman-danyliw)

   *  addressed Ben Kaduk's IESG review
      (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eggert-bcp45bis/
      ballot/#draft-eggert-bcp45bis_benjamin-kaduk)

A.2.  Since draft-eggert-bcp45bis-07

   *  incorporated suggestions from Adrian Farrel
      (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/last-call/
      bt79VpEeM4iAiFVD5vtxHAa_kdc)

   *  incorporated some suggestions from S Moonesamy
      (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/last-call/
      xQoWLovElvnS80ZPgHquAwJs3Mw)

   *  applied suggestions from Robert Wilton
      (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/last-call/
      qCC0p5Yow7AOQLo8T3862jPl4i0)

A.3.  Since draft-eggert-bcp45bis-06

   *  applied a suggestion from Lloyd Wood
      (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/
      jVF496BFjekl9eVx1q9sqDIqOCs) to add access dates to cited URLs

   *  fixes to this change log

   *  applied a suggestion from Brian Carpenter to change
      "unprofessional" to "uncivil"

A.4.  Since draft-eggert-bcp45bis-05

   *  clarification of list scope as suggested by Brian Carpenter
      (https://github.com/larseggert/bcp45bis/pull/10)

A.5.  Since draft-eggert-bcp45bis-04

   *  use RFC2026 appeals process
      (https://github.com/larseggert/bcp45bis/pull/7)

   *  addressed comments from Barry Leiba
      (https://github.com/larseggert/bcp45bis/pull/6)

   *  quote cited text from Wikipedia

A.6.  Since draft-eggert-bcp45bis-03

   *  addressed Robert Wilton's AD review
      (https://github.com/larseggert/bcp45bis/pull/5)

A.7.  Since draft-eggert-bcp45bis-02

   *  additional details about and guidelines for the SAA team, based on
      a suggestion from Dhruv Dhody
      (https://github.com/larseggert/bcp45bis/pull/1)

   *  remove reference to the IETF 110 attendees list, since those lists
      are being removed by the secretariat shortly after each meeting

A.8.  Since draft-eggert-bcp45bis-01

   *  applied a suggestion from Brian Carpenter
      (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/-
      U2LWKf0VonKnQXs4jPEqIg_L_A)

   *  rephrased beginning of Section 2, as suggested by Stephen Farrell
      (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gendispatch/p73lu-
      D-WvQrbKBZ80c2T7bbBlQ/)

   *  incorporated a suggestion from Christian Huitema
      (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/
      gendispatch/64LgqlIk0h62mAK09Muqn1ccqRE/)

A.9.  Since draft-eggert-bcp45bis-00

   *  added introduction, security considerations and IANA
      considerations sections

   *  added "note to readers" with pointers to the discussion list and
      the repo

   *  added references to IETF Sergeants-at-Arms procedures

   *  added references to various mailing lists for topics that used to
      be in scope for the IETF discussion list but no longer are

   *  added references to the Note Well and relevant other policies that
      apply

A.10.  Since RFC3005

   *  converted to Markdown and xml2rfc v3
   *  updated references (as part of the conversion)

   *  updated author information

   *  various formatting changes <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7776>.

Acknowledgements

   The following people have made contributions to this document:

   *  Adrian Farrel

   *  Barry Leiba

   *  Ben Kaduk

   *  Brian Carpenter

   *  Carsten Bormann

   *  Christian Huitema

   *  Dhruv Dhody

   *  Eric Rescorla

   *  Eric Vyncke

   *  Francesca Palombini

   *  John Scudder

   *  Lloyd Wood

   *  Martin Thomson

   *  Robert Wilton

   *  S Moonesamy

   *  Stephen Farrell
   Susan R.  Harris authored [RFC3005], which this document replaces.

Author's Address

   Lars Eggert
   NetApp
   Stenbergintie 12 B
   FI-02700 Kauniainen
   Finland
   Email: lars@eggert.org
   URI:   https://eggert.org/

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